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in the whole of television. she'll be here live. so watch out, america, because there's nothing that kathy griffin won't see. she's always outrageous, always hilarious. she'll be here for the hour tomorrow night. that's kathy griffin. that's it for us tonight. here's "anderson cooper 360" with ac 360 piers, thanks very much. we begin tonight as we always do keeping them honest. them tonight being these guys, la law d.c. lawmakers who are taking five weeks off instead of finishing the work. here they are adjourning for their summer recess. if you're thinking recess like in second grade you're not alone. in january house members scheduled more than 23 weeks off this year. 23. now, that will likely age some of you, but that's not the worst of it. turns out as a result of this current five-week adjournment, as many as 74,000 americans might be losing their paychecks. that's because badly-needed construction at american airports is at a standstill. air safety inspectors, for instance, are working without any pay.
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and the government is not collecting $200 million a week in airline ticket taxes. that's 1 billion tax dollars lost between now and when congress gets back to work. now remember, the lawmakers responsible for blowing this hole in the budget just spent months railing about the deficit. and when they got done with that, all they could talk about was jobs and how are going to be focused on creating jobs. >> the american people's top priority is the creation of jobs. >> creating jobs for the american people. >> create jobs in america. >> create jobs. >> create jobs. >> job creation. >> focus on jobs. >> new jobs. >> jobs. >> jobs. >> jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs. >> jobs. >> talking about jobs. >> are talking about jobs. >> and now it's time to talk about jobs. >> all right. let's talk about jobs. here's one. neill bolin's job with the faa. he's now on furlough. >> i have a hard time understanding their partisan bicker and rhetoric. we're reaching into our investments, savings, signed up for unemployment.
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and that's barely going to make the electric bill. much less the water and mortgage. so yeah, we're incredibly disappointed. >> he says congress could have prevented his ordeal with just a day's work. now, here's why they fail. to it's a little complex but it's knowing. since 2007, the faa has been running on short-term funding bills that routinely passed through congress. almost like the debt limit until now. this time, politics have intruded with republicans inserting language about rural airports and faa unionization into the process. neither of which democrats support. now, you can decide for yourself if you're for subsidizing rural airports or whether or not the faa should unionize. i'm not taking a position on that. that's not my job. that's for you to decide. but keeping them honest, we could not find any other instance of either party, democrats or republicans, attaching any controversial additions to one of these temporary funding bills. there have been at least 20 of these over the years. and not once has this happened. so the bottom line, no vote despite repeated calls from the
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white house and transportation secretary ray lahood to get to work to get to some kind of agreement so people don't lose their jobs. >> don't put the livlihoods of thousands of people at risk. don't put projects at risk. and don't let $1 billion at a time when we're scrambling for every dollar we can get left on the table because congress did not act. >> congress is on vacation! what i'm asking congress to do is come back from their vacation, pass a clean bill, which they've done on 20 other occasions. so that the faa people did not have to go without paychecks and thousands of construction workers right in the middle of the construction season are out of work. now, i've heard a lot of speeches around here about doing jobs, getting jobs, helping to get jobs. well, what i want member of congress to do is not only talk the talk about jobs, walk the walk. vote to extend the faa and put thousands of people back to
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work. come back from your vacation, pass a bill the way you've done on 20 other occasions. this is not fair to average ordinary citizens who are out of work. >> again, they're taking five weeks off. again, it's not like they're lacking for vacation time. that's five weeks out of 23 weeks on the 2011 calendar at the beginning of the year. so while they're taking it easy or talking in their districts or fundraising, as many as 74,000 others are unable to work at all. joining us now, congressional correspondent kate bolduan, democratic strategist paul begala, republican strategy it -- >> is this a fight over a couple of small town airports? >> reporter: yes, in part, at least on stensiblely. this is what's going on. there are two things going on. it has to do with this union issue that you mentioned. republicans put a change to union rules and how the federal rules kind of apply to airlines and unionizing there. they want to change the rules. democrats clearly are opposed to
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it. that's the long-term funding bill. then in the short-term extension, democrats are calling for a kleenex tension that would just extend it as in the past. republicans are opposing that. they're pushing their own extension that has to do with these subsidies for rural airport that is democrats are ball,ing at again and opposing. republicans say they're protecting wasteful spending that they see. so it seems like the same finger pointing that we were seeing in the debt debate is just extending into this. and everyone says the other side is the one holding up this process when the faa employees are the only ones that are becoming the victims here. and i think a little bit of what's going on here is following this debt debate there are some serious bruised egos and 1078 resentment on both sides. so they're really, really digging in here. >> paul begala, why not just either pass this short-term extension even if it's not perfect, or have some leadership and actually come up with either a compromise or come up with some sort of a deal? >> i have no idea, anderson. if i had hair it would be on
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fire. this is the kind of thing that makes you crazy. but i have to say, the president did a disservice today to this story. and i think sometimes we in the media do when he seemed to say that both parties are equally at fault. the president said today "this is another washington-inflicted wound on america". well, no, sir, with all due respect. it's a republican-inflicted wound on america. and not even all republicans. a lot of republicans think this is crazy, too. kay bailey hutchison, the top senator on jurisdiction in the senate has already said it's not honorable what the house is doing. so i don't want to paint all republicans with a brush. but there is a new way of doing business for some in the republican party. and it is not the regular order. even the most mundane issues like whether we should subsidize air service to ely, nevada, now all of a sudden becomes something that's worth shutting down the faa and putting 74,000 people out of work. it's crazy! >> and alex, $1 billion in taxes are not being collected right now. $1 billion. if nothing else shouldn't that be enough to get anyone in congress who claims to care
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about the deficit to try to come up with some sort of solution for this? >> oh, you would think, wouldn't you? you kind of want to put them all in an airplane that can't land until they fix this. but you know, we've just had a big spending debate for it seems like eternity here in washington on this debt ceiling. one thing i think democrats and republicans can all agree if we can stop wasting money we don't have, money we have to borrow, even vul clie get our kids to pay, we ought to try to do that. how much should one of these airplane tickets cost from ely, nevada to the closest hub? it turns out we're subsidizing each of these tickets from 1,000 to $3700 each ticket. that seems to be a place we could save some bucks. you could hire a limo, fill it with champagne and drive each one of that's passengers and save money. and we can't even agree on saving that kind of money? republicans put a bill that would do that on the table. democrats said no. and you know what harry reid did? he did the honorable thing. he said, look, i urge my
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colleagues to vote for this. sometimes you have to think about what's best for your country. and rockefeller and other senators said no. they are holding harry reid hostage on this. >> so paul, i mean, alex has clearly seen a completely different way. >> well, look, senator reid who alexis right, senate majority leader, his small town in his state of ely, nevada is one of the towns that's been singled out for this. he sent a letter to speaker boehner today where he says "i will be willing to compromise on the essential air services issue during negotiations on the final bill in order to pass a kleenex -- clean, extension. just like the debt ceiling he doesn't have a partner to negotiate with. again it's all about process. the founding fathers gave us a regular order for resolving these disputes. my goodness. this is not slavery. this is not civil rights. this is whether we should subsidize air travellers in ely, nevada. alex may be right. the republicans may be right. but it's not worth putting 74,000 people out of work.
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there's a process. so you extend it for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, then you come back to a committee, conference committee and work out these things. >> what about not taking your vacation until this gets done? i'm not taking a side of whether the republicans are right in this or the democrats. i don't know. but i do know that for government to work, people have to make decisions. and whether it's a compromise or one side wins or the other, that's how things get done. and right now nothing's getting done. >> you know, and i think some folks at home are looking at this and are so disgusted with what they're seeing in washington that next election we could see, i think, one of the biggest rejection of incumbents that we've seen in a long time. it could be vote them all out. last election we saw some survey numbers that said, if you could vote everybody from both parties out and start over, would you? and it was over 60%. i think it could be higher this time. but on this specific issue, anderson, you said you couldn't find anything going back 20
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years where something had tied something like, this a spending reduction to a routine bill. yes. and that's the problem. we never cut spending on anything. we always push it back to tomorrow. and tomorrow never comes. so we're in a crisis situation where one of these days our kids are going to be empty of tears because they're going to sweat their whole lives to pay debts that we, our parents, are leaving them. >> now we're pushing it back five weeks so that they can take their vacation. that's the vacation thing that -- i get this is how washington works and these are what debates are about. i don't get why they get to adjourn. >> reporter: in the short term, this could be fixed pretty quickly. they would just need to come to an agreement. they don't even need to poll all the senators and members of congress back to washington necessarily. they have to come to an agreement both the house and the senate have procedural ways to pull this off. >> kate, president obama said that might happen this week. is that likely? >> reporter: likely, i would not go that far.
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i'd say that as speaker boehner issued a statement today and it did not seem like he was so inclined to be trying to make this agreement. and it's not unheard of for the house speaker to call them all back in. nancy pelosi did that last summer when she was speaker of the house. it just doesn't seem like anyone's ready to blink and make that move at this moment. so the idea of a vacation is frustrating for many people, but they can do this work while they're still on vacation and still going to their constituency events or whatever. they can get this done and they can get it done quickly. they just don't want to at the moment. >> kate, paul, alex, guys thank you very much. let us know what you think we're on facebook. follow me on twitter. there's a lot of anger about this @ anderson cooper. i'll be tweeting tonight up next, egypt's former dictator in court on a gurney in a cage. court trying to hold him accountable for the deaths during the uprising that drove him from power. he says he's not responsible. but how can he not be responsible. and taking you back to the terrifying moments when his
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thugs try this. ed to preserve his regime and polygamist leader warren jeffs opening statement in his own defense after jurors heard a tape of him allegedly having sex with a 12-year-old girl. a lot of folks in the courtroom said it was the most disturbing thing they have ever heard. court adjourned for the day. gary tuck man's got a live report. more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. [ professor ] good morning students. today, we're gonna...
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egypt's former dictator went on trial today and the images were extraordinary. tens of millions of egyptians watched on tv. the man who ruled them for decades lying on a medical gurney inside an iron cage. in there with him his two sons trying to block the cameras. his former interior minister and six cops. mubarek is charged with corruption and complicity in killings during the uprising that drove him from power. today when asked by the judge he said "i deny them completely" about the charges. keeping them honest, though, is that even remotely possible or plausible? mubarek rule add police state for 30 years with a massive internal security machine that was able to put violent and often deadly mobs on the streets at will. he oversaw a secret police infamous for their use of brutality and torture. not responsible? remember, you saw it when mow mubarek thugs turned up en masse
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to attack demonstrators. we were on the air when the first thugs started to arrive. >> behind us we have basically a mob of pro mubarek supporters who have been mobilized at this late hour to chant the press are traitors and agents. and this is very much -- >> you think these guys are paid to do that? >> i don't think there's any doubt about it. i've seen demonstrations like this in egypt for years. there are people who have such a stake in this regime that they're coming out like this. they're being paid, perhaps, to come out like this to show support for the mubarek regime. this is typical, for instance, of egyptian elections. oftentimes they come out in favor of mubarek, and it turns out that they've been paid 20 pounds a piece to do it. >> well, they started throwing rocks that night. the next day before full-on warfare against protestors, government thugs attacked reporters in the streets. my crew and i were attacked by thugs in cairo's liberation square.
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>> short time later, more attackers, this time on camel back rampaged through the square, beating bloody anyone in their path. remember, at the time security forces, military, surrounded liberation square. no one got in unless they were allowed in by the government. hard to see how stick-wielding mounted thugs could do what they did without government say so in a place like egypt. and throughout it all, the mubarek propaganda machine was simultaneously blaming the violence on foreigners and outside agitators, al jazeera and israel and others while fomenting new violence. that night we broadcast practically undercover on the floor. >> this is not exactly how we had planned to bring you tonight's program, but the situation changes here minute-by-minute in cairo especially today. given what we have seen today, this is just yet another development. just in the last few minutes
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we've heard heavy fire in liberation square. we've got video that was taken just a short time ago. heavy caliber fire heard in the square. we're going to talk to ivan watson who was there in just a moment. but i just want to tell you, we are broadcasting from a location that we thought was pretty safe up until about half an hour ago. then after that heavy fire we got a report that pro mubarek forces have left the area around liberation square and have now fanned out in some of the other neighborhoods, and this security situation where we are has changed somewhat in the last 30 minutes or so. we've been advised to actually turn off our lights, get down on the floor, and try to barricade ourselves in the area that we're in. so that's why we're doing this program like this tonight. it's not going to look very good over the next hour but i hope you bear with us. because what has happened today in egypt on these streets has been nothing short of extraordinary. the entire situation has changed here in the last 12 hours. people have died who did not need to die. people will die tonight who do
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not need to die. and there were many people wounded today. we don't have actual numbers for you. but what we have seen has been nothing short of a pitch battle for the future of this country on the streets of this country outside the egyptian museum and inside and all around liberation square. >> we were literally barricaded with sofas and chairs inside an office at that point. that's just a small slice of what we could seek shelter from. but many egyptians weren't so lucky. embassy international estimates that 4800 people were killed in the uprising. tens of millions of egyptians spent weeks in sheer terror and many more spent their entire lives in fear of an absolute dictatorship. and mubarek says he's not responsible. the former dictator claiming he wasn't responsible for the brutality and not responsible and shouldn't be held accountable. we talked about it earlier with david kirkpatrick of the "new york times" and fareed zakaria from cnn. >> fareed, to hear mubarek saying he's innocent of
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everything basically and didn't order the attacks on protestors, i mean, when you're an absolute dictator of a country for many, many years, it suddenly seems ridiculous for somebody to claim oh, look i had no responsibility for what was happening. >> no. the complicating factor here, anderson, is he's almost certainly guilty of the charges that are being laid against him. but it still has the feeling of i don't want to say a show trial but a trial that is not fair. i wish that egyptian government realized that this is really a very important moment for them. they need to get this right. >> david, that image of this once all-powerful dictator reduced to a sickly man inside a cage has got to be an incredibly powerful image for the people of egypt. >> yeah. it's absolutely breathtaking. you've got to remember, this is a country where there has never been a living ex-president, much less a president or ex-president brought before the law. it's something i think most egyptians -- i know most egyptians truly could not
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believe. >> fareed, how do you think the trial is going to play in other places where dictators are no doubt watching this very closely? >> it's not just in places where there were dictators are in trouble. this is a phenomenon across the arab world. everyone is watching it. ch. and that's one of the reasons why i think it's so important that egyptians do it in a way that makes it clear that this is an impartial process, that there is real due process. but there's no question everyone around the arab world is watching now. it is having the effect of making mgadhafi feel why should i -- when you punish one of these dictators. >> david, leading up to the trial there were all sorts of questions about whether mubarek was really sick or how sick he was, were maybe his doctors, his defense team were exaggerating. do you think those questions were put to rest today, or do you think it still remains a question of whether he's kind of faking it? >> well, on the one hand, for
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sure his defense team was exaggerating. they said he had cancer. they said he has had a stroke, he was in a coma. none of those things were true. at the same time, it's just not plausible that somebody like mubarek with his pride, his military being carried into a courtroom on a stretch for plead for sympathy. there's no way that was staged. and the fact if i go to a second to what fareed was saying, at every step towards this trial the military tribunal running the country right now has seemed to be responding to political pressure from the street. so yeah, there's nothing about this that seems particularly fair or well-thought-out. i don't think that really bothers the egyptian people right now. >> do you think in fact, david, that this gives legitimacy in the eyes of the egyptian people a legitimacy to the military government? >> i think very much. so i think a lot of egyptians last week were thinking, these guys will never put their former boss on trial. and yet, here it is. and it may be that they were forced into it by street demonstrations and by a fear
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oftened unrest. but i think to most egyptians, the popular will has that kind of power is closer than they've ever been to a rule of law. >> you know, anderson, revolutions are very big phenomenon. they sometimes can take on a life of their own. and i think what's happening here in egypt is that it is taking on a life of its own. public appetites have to be fed. there is a public rage, an understandable public rage because of 30 to 40, 50 years of dictatorship. and mubarek has come to symbolize it. this was something they could do to feed the masses. >> we've also seen huge protests in which the military has cracked down on protestors, tortured protestors, done virginity checks on women. there's been a lot of outrage about that. and just recently this weekend we saw a huge pro islamic demonstration in tahrir square. tens of thousands of islamists calling for a strict adherence to islamic law.
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where is the egyptian revolution at this point? i mean, it is a cliche' to say it's at a turning point? >> i think it's in suspension. when i was in egypt a month or two ago, the situation was very similar. and a young protestor who had spent all her days and nights in tahrir square said to me, you know, i went through this whole process to get rid of egypt's military dictatorship. and when i look around, everyone in the world thinks that our revolution has succeeded. but i'm living in a military dictatorship. >> david, before i let you go i just want to turn to libya where you are now. you just had an interview with safe gadhafi. they are claiming they are forming an alliance with radical islamists. is that just a scare tactic or attempt to get attention or roughly western feathers? >> in the interview he said it's kind of a funny story. i said does that mean you're joking? he said, no, we're going to announce this in days in a joint
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communique. he even identified the libyan islamist who he said was his sort of counter party in these talks to form a kind of alliance. but when our folks called up, that islamist was based in doha. he said i've had nothing of the kind. i've had conversations but all of those conversations have been you need to leave power right away. i suspect that he almost was enjoying taunting the west with the prospect that by allying with libyan rebels you may be helping an islamist take power. >> it's totally plausible, anderson. gadhafi has for 40 years mass kerd islamists. in fact the principal military threats to his regime over the last three decades have all come from the islamists who he brutally suppressed. the idea these guys would tie up with him is very implausible. >> david, fareed, thanks. david, stay safe up next, disturbing stuff
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showing how phillip and nancy garrido preyed on children. they're the couple who kidnapped jaycee dugard, held her captive for 18 years in their backyard. you'll see how they lured little girls into a van to videotape them. it's the kind of thing we've heard about. to actually know these folks did that, it is sickening, serves as a warning to us all. later the, the warren jeffs sexual assault trial. last night we reported on the bizarre courtroom drama. we'll talk to gary tuchman about what happened today in the courtroom that shocked a lot of hardened courtroom watchers. thay on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th.
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up close tonight, disturbing videos released by the district attorney's office in el dorado county, california, the office prosecuting convicted phillip and nancy garrido for the kidnaping and rape of jaycee dugard held captive for 18 years. it released the videos to show the public how criminals like the garridos operate. in the first excerpt, nancy garrido has lured a little girl into a van. the little girl is not jaycee dugard. this happened, though, after jaycee dugard had already been taken. lured a girl into a van to videotape her. and she coaxes the child to do split. now, the videos were shot for
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her husband's gratification if you can believe it. the d.a.'s office blurred the images, cnn has decided not to airport child's voice. so you'll hear gaps in the audio. we want to warn you again, the audio with the young children is disturbing but important we think for everyone to hear especially for parents. because we all have heard about this kind of stuff. but to actually see it, it really brings it home and makes it real. listen. >> can you go all the way down? let me see. i bet you can go down really easy, huh? let me see you do it. oh, you didn't show me your split, did you? let me see it now. >> after a rest, garrido was questioned by law enforcement officer on videotape. they talked about videotaping girls in the van and how often it went on. you're going to hear a couple of beeps there on the tape. >> you had a camera set up in the van? >> yeah. >> for the direct purpose of getting leg shots and [ expletive ] blp shots for him? >> mm-hmm.
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>> this is kind of set up. this is what you're going to do, this is how you're going to do it, right? you indicated that numerous times kids were brought into the van. >> mm-hmm. >> and i thought you might have indicated that it happened both at your house and maybe at other locations? is that true? >> mm-hmm. >> this was obviously something phil wanted you to do for him. and what was your task in all of this? i mean, what were you supposed to get of these girls? as much leg and [ expletive ] shots as you could? get them to do gymnastics? >> stuff like that, general stuff like that. >> so you were supposed to sit down next to them, play nice, sound interested, and somehow coax them into moving around and so they could be videotaped. >> yeah. >> how many incidents are we talking about you getting the kids in the van and actually doing a face-to-face taping as
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opposed to out in the parking lot? i know are we talking less than 20? more than 20? >> it's got to be less than 20. >> somewhere between 10 and 20? >> maybe. >> somewhere maybe -- somewhere in that thing? >> maybe. or maybe less. maybe just ten. >> short time that i spoke with dr. drew pinsky, host of dr. drew on hln. dr. drew, the state awhile ago had released a few tapes. and we talked about them on this program. i got some tweets from people saying why are you showing this? it's disturbing. and these new tapes are incredibly disturbing. but i find them important to watch to see. because we all know there's dangers out there. and yet people still -- i mean, kids are still getting into vans with creepy people in them. >> yeah. i mean, there's a couple points to be made, anderson. one is that although it's a cliche' that someone would come up and offer candy and lure a child into the van, the fact is that kind of thing does exist. the other issue is, should we be
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watching these films? i mean, they're not explicit. they're just disturbing. and i think because the normal person's mind just doesn't work that way, it is important to take a good, hard look at these things so you understand in an unvarnished way what it is you're looking for to keep your kids safe. >> and nancy garrido luring a child into a van, having her do splits, videotaping her for her husband's gratification later, i mean, what is going through her mind? because i mean, he's clearly sick. i mean, he's clearly a monster. >> right. >> but what's going on in her mind? >> yeah. i had a feeling you were going to kind of go there. because this is the part that's so difficult to understand. how someone could become so dependent, so controlled by another person that she could collude in something that is absolutely depraved. but the fact is, this guy was -- let's call it what it is -- sort of a genius at mind control and picking somebody would -- again i'm not talking about the
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captive. i'm talking about this woman we're seeing in the video here. picking someone who has such profound dependency needs that needs from him attention so far that she is willing to go to any length probably without giving it much thought at all. >> and even there's the video where she's videotaping him at the playground. you know, again it's just one of those things. people should look out for this kind of stuff. people videotaping at a playground. i mean, it seems so basic. >> it does seem so basic. and yet we have to remind ourselves that these things exist. and you know, here's the message to parents out there. it's unfortunate that we live in a time where we have to be so hypervigilant, but that's the times we live in number one. and number two, trust your instincts. >> not just a failure of people's imaginations to kind of think of what horrible people can do, but of the state, i mean, of the government who they sent parole officers there who didn't really do thorough searches who could have found jaycee dugard had they really searched the property.
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>> yes. and that is a bigger issue that we've got to deal with. and it really boil down to the issue of patterns of depravity, patterns of criminal behavior. you know, back in the 18th century we had a model system of penitentiaries where people paid penance and they were improved when they got out of these penitentiary systems. we have no such thing right now. we have people that have profound, lifelong traumas -- excuse me, profound, lifelong patterns of severe criminal behavior. and each one tends to get looked at almost on its own merit as an isolated incident rather than looking at the overall pattern and realizing some people are not -- when they get out of the locked system, the contained system, they have to be treated with the same scrutiny as if they were in a locked system. >> fascinating the video that we've just been showing of nancy garrido videotaping when the parole officer came to the house and was searching. she was basically trying to kind of i guess put pressure on this guy to get out quicker. again not effective searches. dr. drew, thanks.
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>> appreciate it. we're following other stories tonight. tom foreman has the 360 bulletin. >> reporter: the united nations has denounced syria's brutal crackdown on protesters. the security council released a statement today condemning the use of force against civilians and called for an immediate end to violence by all parties. dozens of people have been killed in the last few days, including at least four today. haiti and the dominican republic are bracing for tropical storm emily which is expected to hit the two countries with strong winds and heavy rains. national hurricane center says emily is packing winds of 50 miles per hour. as relief agencies desperately try to feed starving somalians, the u.n. announced today that famine has spread to three more regions of that african country, including the capital city of mogadishu. civil war in somalia is making it hard to get food to those who need it and in new york, maybe that wandering peacock just needed a day to be alone. it escaped from the central park zoo yesterday, and there it is,
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perched on a window sill. but zoo officials now say the peacock flew back home this morning. >> wow, that's cool. >> a little homing pigeon. >> maybe he just needed a little time away. a little vaca. tom, we'll check in with you shortly. tonight's shot, the old saying music kaums a savage beast. an mariachi band serenaded a beluga whale at the mistick aquarium. watch. ♪ . >> i like how beluga whale seems to be like nodding its head almost to the music. it certainly looks curious at the very least. the band was the at aquarium to perform at a wedding apparently. so who knew? tom, did you know that belugas like mariachi? >> i didn't know this. this reminds me so much of my prom. >> of your prom? >> very similar. very similar. >> who were you -- which character were you? >> i don't want to say.
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>> up next on 360, another wild day in the courtroom during the sexual assault trial of warren jeffs. an audio tape was played. it left at least one juror in tears. when jeffs presented his defense case, things got even more bizarre also ahead, a judge in florida giving casey anthony a break. we'll explain what happened to her ahead. does that in one daily dose.pt new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. i don't know. the usual? [ blower whirring ] sometimes it pays to switch things up. my - what, my hair? no. car insurance. i switched to progressive and they gave me discounts for the time i spent with my old company. saved a bunch. that's a reason to switch. big savings -- it's a good look for you. [ blower whirring ] [blower stops] the safety was off. out there with a better way. now, that's progressive.
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in our crime and punishment segment today, the trial of polygamist sect leader warren jeffs is getting close to the end but not before even getting more dramatic and stranger. court resume tomorrow morning when jeffs will continue putting on his own defense. in an audio tape that seemed to shock and sadden jury members, prosecution ended its tape today. on that tape jeffs is allegedly heard having sex with a 12-year-old girl. joining me live from san angelo is gary tuchman and investigative reporter mike watkiss. gary, the prosecution closed its case playing this audio. i heard a lot of people in the court saying it was among the more disturbing things they've
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every heard. what did you hear and how did the jury react? >> it was very disturbing. not just for the jury but for the 150 of us in the courtroom is packed listening to a 50-year-old man apparently have sex with a 12-year-old girl. and she was just 11 years old the month before. what makes it worse, anderson, is that warren jeffs does not deny the accusations in court. but this audio tape showed was that warren jeffs regularly taped these sexual experiences he had. he called them training sessions for heavenly wives. but what happened in this audio tape, we heard warren jeffs say it feels good. how do you feel? and this little girl voice said, very good. it was so sad because we've seen pictures of her in court. she's small for her age. she has red hair. she described by a witness as having red hair and freckles and she looks like pippy long stocking. then at one point at the very end warren jeffs said what do you feel? she said i feel fine. thank you. and the tape of lasted 20 minutes, anderson. there was heavy breathing. it was very uncomfortable and sad being there but the prosecution feels they needed to play it for this jury.
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>> and after all, this mike, then the prosecution rests and then it's warren jeffs's turn to present this case. you say that's when it became like the theater of the absurd. >> i think that's a pretty accurate description. mr. jeffs is not a lawyer, and he proved that today. first of all, he begged and pleaded and stammered in front of the judge asking for more time to prepare. he says, you've had years to prepare for this. you're on at 3:00 this afternoon. he then got up and basically did a 30-minute stump speech, sort of a stump sermon, the kind of thing that he delivers before his flock talking about religious history and the persecution of his people over the last 150 years. your eyes glazed over. at this point mr. jeffs has interjected and sermonized so much in this trial, you wonder what the impact is on the jury. juxtapose that with this tape where you have this meek little girl talking and mr. jeffs apparently having sex.
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it was very impactful, i think, for all of us in the courtroom today. >> and gary, he called as his first witness a member of the flds, but he still hasn't addressed the allegations against him, right? >> that's right, anderson. we didn't know he would call a witness. then all of a sudden he call one of his followers, a guy we know. it basically felt like an flds sunday school session, the book of mormon was brought in as their first piece of evidence. they basically read the book of more mon to each other. warren jeffs defense is not that he didn't have this sex. his defense is this is a violation of his freedom of religion. and he got his witness, the member of his church, to say that yes, throughout history mormons religion has been violated. but then, when the prosecution cross-examined this man, they said to him, do you believe warren jeffs is a prophet? he said yes. do you believe warren jeffs talks to god? he said yes. then they said, but do you have sex with 15-year-old girls? and the man had a lawyer with him. he talked to his lawyer before he said anything. then he said no.
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do you have sex with 12-year-old girls? and he said no. >> do you have sex with a lot of girls at once which warren jeffs apparently does in these tapes. the man said no. the point the prosecution is trying to make this is warren jeffs doing this, this is not necessarily other members of the flds, even though they do regard him as the prophet. >> and mike, warren jeffs on the tape doesn't use the word sex at all. he has all these sort of code words. what is he talking about? are these all flds codes? >> having grown up in the area around utah, yeah, this ornate religious language that mr. jeffs seems to be unable to speak in anything but this stuff. and he talks about heavenly sessions. had he refers to the young woman as a heavenly comfort wife. it's all this sort of coded language that has been used for generations in that community. never just outright talks about sex, because they're above that. this is a god-ordained practice in the -- at least in the words of mr. jeffs. it's very bizarre to hear him discuss that.
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and the tape, to hear this meek little voice, you only hear it a couple of times. it just plunged a dagger into your heart. and i think amid the heavy breathing it just -- the jurors just walked away stunned. >> and mike, i was really interested. i want to make sure i read this correctly. that jeffs filed a motion to get the judge on the case dismissed or recused, and in it it seems like he's threatening her. he claims in this brief that he's channelling god. and he said "let also barbara walther s, the judges name, be of a humbling to know i have sent a crippling disease upon her which shall take her life soon". >> yeah. i think that you get a good insight into the character of warren jeffs. this judge has been rock solid. she has done such a good job in such a difficult situation. apparently as a child she suffered polio. she has a brace on one of her legs and walks with a noticeable limp. and he is now implying in this revelation from god that he filed as a motion in court that
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her infirmity was an act of his vengeful god. and now she's going to die. i can tell you, she is arriving the last couple of days since this was filed with a much greater degree of security. she was driving herself to the court through much of this trial. now she's being delivered in a big texas-sized law enforcement pickup truck with lots of guards. they're taking this as a threat. >> and gary, is this going to wrap up soon or do we know? >> we thought it would wrap up today, anderson. but she, the judge, as mike was saying, she's tough but she is not limiting warren jeffs. she doesn't want there to be a mistrial or a reversal on appeals court. so we don't know how long this will take. he talked three hours and 50 minutes to his witness and it ended just an hour ago, court for the day. and continued questioning a fellow member of his church tomorrow. >> gary, mike, appreciate the time. thank you very much. more crime and punishment ahead. new information about when casey anthony will have to return to florida. also ahead tonight's ridiculist. i hesitate to even name these two because publicity is what
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hiding. anthony's acquittal last month on murder charges prompted death threats. a hearing is set for friday. the dow industrial snapped add eight-day losing streak adding 30 pins. s & p 500 and nasdaq also rose word that fed may consider a new round of stimulus is given credit for the gains. and dolly parton has apologized to a lesbian couple who visited dollywood's splash complex in tennessee. one was wearing a t-shirt with a slogan promoting gay marriage. she wasn't allowed inside until she turned her shirt inside out to hide the slogan time now for the ridiculist. tonight we're adding heidi montag and spencer pratt. if you don't know who they are, first of all congratulations. allow me to explain. they were on a tv show called "the hills" that was on for six seasons. it was season four before i realized it wasn't just a really long lip gloss commercial. i do know that heidi and spencer were the demon spawn of that
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program. and together they staged a whole bunch of fake photo ops and went on reality shows and basically got paid to go to clubs. whatever the point is, they got really famious in that blog yes, tmz, twitteresque way people can get famous these days without any actual talent or intrinsic worth. but now sadly everything has changed. sadly for them, heidi and spencer say they were wrong about everything. they regret it all, they say. now they're broke and wish they never tried to get famous. spencer tells "the daily beast" everything we were doing in retrospect was a mistake. the second we continued on our quest for fame was a mistake". bite your tong, spencer. you and heidi are both excellent role models. we've lrnd so much from you. like when you were on "celebrity get me out of here" you caught us about perspective. >> everyone is just being so mean and completely took off all my labels and everything on my dry shampoo. >> who's would so passionately defend the sanctity of one's dry shampoo labels?
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nobody but heidi and spence. >> you shouldn't rip the labels off of people's possessions. >> come on, spencer. >> don't be a hypocrite. >> calm down. you don't know who you're talking to. [ screaming ] >> my husband is a very new christian, so he is working very hard on his temper and stuff. >> civilization is ending. as spencer worked very hard on his temper and stuff, heidi worked very hard on her temple and stuff, got some plastic surgery. now she thinks that was a mistake. "obviously i wish i didn't do it. i would go back and not have any surgery. i don't regret anything, but if i could go back i wouldn't do it". she's being way too hard on herself, i think. all she did was try to improve her appearance just a little. >> i had a slight eyebrow lift. so they just slightly lifted it. and i had like real staples in my head. and i had my ears pinned back
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because i couldn't wear my hair up ever for red carpets because my ears always stuck out. >> i hate that. a little head stapling, a little ear pinning. it's not like she got her whole jaw sawed down. >> i had my jaw sawed down and reshaped. i had my nose corrected. i had fat injections into my cheeks and into my lips that was taken from my legs. i had a little bit of botox put in my forehead. >> how does one have one's jaw saw down? anyway, that was it, right? i mean -- oh, that wasn't it. >> i had my back shaped out a little bit. >> that's not bone movement, is it? >> a little bit of bone, yeah. a little bit of the bone and a little bit of the muscle and tissue just for a curvier look. and then i had a little bit of fat injections put in both sides of each butt cheek. >> just a little bit of bone. just a little bit of bone. at least when it came to her breast implants she used sound
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logic. >> they're triple ds or fs, pretty much. so i wanted h for heidi, but that didn't really happen that way. >> h for heidi. she's adorable! so what's life like now for heidi and spencer? oh, hang on. >> and then i had a little bit of inner and outer lipo. >> are we done? that's it? all right. so what's life like now for heidi and spencer, now that they're full of regret about their fame-seeking ways? quote spencer "it's like what 70-year-olds do. we're reading a lot of books. now all we eat are tacos and burr retoes". i know that's how i have always envisioned retirement, sitting around being 70, book in one hand, taco in the other, burrito in the other. but spencer, you and heidi are way too young to give up on your dreams and drown your or rose in ground beef and sour cream. deep down i think you know it. heidi's on another reality show right now. spencer says "if they called me
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right now and said, we want you to be on jersey shore and be a bully and we'll bring you your paycheck back, i'd say, get me on a plane to italy". it's almost like they're contradicting themselves. i know that can't be. they've always been so genuine. chin up, spencer. heidi, lift yours up as much as you're physically able to. because you'll always be rich and famous on the ridiculist. we'll be right back. a vacation on a budget with expedia. make it work. booking a flight by itself is an uh-oh. see if we can "stitch" together a better deal. that's a hint, antoine. ooh! see what anandra did? booking your flight and hotel at the same time gets you prices hotels and airlines won't let expedia show separately. book it. major wow factor! where you book matters. expedia.
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we begin tonight as we always do keeping them honest. them tonight being these guys,
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lawmakers who are taking five weeks off instead of finishing their work. five weeks. here they are adjourning for their summer recess. and if you're thinking recess, just like in second grade, well, you're not alone. by the way, in january house members scheduled more than 23 weeks off this year. 23. now, that will likely anger some of you but that's not the worst of it. turns out as a result of this current five-week adjournment, as many as 74,000 americans might be losing their paychecks. that's because badly-needed construction at american airports is at a standstill. air safety inspectors, for instance, are working without any pay. and the government is not collecting $200 million a week in airline ticket taxes. that's 1 billion tax dollars lost between now and when congress gets back to work. and remember, the lawmakers responsible for blowing this hole in the budget just spent months railing about the deficit. and when they got done with that, all they could talk about was jobs. and how they're going to be focused on creating jobs. >> american people's top priority is the creation of
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jobs. >> creating jobs for the american people. >> create jobs in america. >> create jobs. >> create jobs. >> job creation. >> focus on jobs. >> new jobs. >> jobs. >> job. >> jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs. >> jobs. >> talking about jobs. >> they're talking about jobs. >> and now it's time to talk about jobs. >> all right. well, let's talk about jobs. here's one. neill bolin's job with the faa. he's now on furlough. >> i have a hard time understanding their partisan bickering and their rhetoric. we're reaching into our investments, savings, signed up for unemployment. and that's barely going to make the electric bill. much less the water and mortgage. so yeah, we're incredibly disappointed. >> he says congress could have prevented his ordeal with just a day's work. now, here's why they failed to. it's a little complex but it's knowing. since 2007, the faa has been running on short-term funding bills that routinely pass through congress. almost like the debt limit until
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now. this time, politics have intruded with republicans inserting language about rural airports and faa unionization into the process. neither of which democrats support. now, you can decide for yourself if you're for subsidizing rural airports or whether or not the faa should unionize. i'm not taking a position on that. that's not my job. that's for you to decide. but keeping them honest, we could no find any other instance of either party, democrats or republicans, attaching any controversial additions to one of these temporary funding bills. and there have been at least 20 of these over the years. and not once has this happened. so the bottom line, no vote despite repeated calls from the white house and transportation secretary ray lahood to get to work, to get to some kind of an agreement so people don't lose their jobs. >> don't put the livelihoods of thousands of people at risk. don't put projects at risk. and don't let $1 billion at a time when we're scrambling for every dollar we can -- get left on the table because congress
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did not act. >> congress is on vacation! what i'm asking congress to do is come back from their vacation, pass a clean bill, which they've done on 20 other occasions! so that faa people did not have to go without paychecks, and a lot -- thousands of construction workers right in the middle of the construction season are out of work! now, i've heard a lot of speeches around here about doing jobs, getting jobs, helping to get jobs. well, what i want members of congress to do is not only talk the talk about jobs, walk the walk. vote to extend the faa and put thousands of people back to work. come back from your vacation, pass a bill, the way you've done on 20 other occasions. this is not fair to average ordinary citizens who are out of work. >> again, they're taking five weeks off. and again, it's not like they're lacking for vacation time. that's five weeks out of 23 weeks on the 2011 calendar at the beginning of the year. so while they're taking it easy or talking in their districts or fundraising, as many as 74,000
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others are unable to work at all. joining us now congressional correspondent kate bolduan, democratic strategist paul begala and republican strategist alex castellano. kate, is this a fight over a couple of small town airports? >> reporter: yes, in part, at least ostensiblily. there are two things going on. it has to do with this union issue that you mentioned. republicans put a change to union rules and how the federal rules kind of apply to airlines and unionizing there. they want to change the rules. democrats clearly are balking at this and they're opposed to it. that's the long-term funding bill. then in the short-term extension, democrats are calling for a clean extension that would just extend it as they have in the past. republicans are opposing that. so they're pushing their own extension that has to do with these subsidies for rural airports that democrats are balking at again and opposing. and republicans then say that they're protecting wasteful spending that they see. but so it seems like the same
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finger pointing that we were seeing in the debt debate is just extending into this. and everyone says the other side is the one holding up this process when the faa employees are the only ones that are becoming the victims here. and i think a little bit of what's going on here is following this debt debate there's some serious bruised egos and some resentment on both sides. and so they're really, really digging in here. >> paul begala, why not just either pass this short-term extension even if it's not perfect, or have some leadership and actually come up with either a compromise or come up with some sort of a deal? >> i have no idea, anderson. if i had hair it would be on fire. this is the kind of thing that makes you crazy. but i have to say, the president did a disservice today to this story. and i think sometimes we in the media do when he seemed to say that both parties are equally at fault. the president today said "this is another washington-inflicted wound on america". well, no, sir, with all due respect. it's a republican-inflicted wound on america. and not even all republicans. a lot of republicans think this is crazy, too. kay bailey hutch sohn, the top
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senator on the committee of jurisdiction in the senate has already said it's not honorable what the house is doing. so i don't want to paint all republicans with a brush. but there is a new way of doing business for some in the republican party. and it is not the regular order. even the most mundane issues like whether we should subsidize air service to ely, nevada, now all of a sudden becomes something that's worth shutting down the faa and putting 74,000 people out of work. it's crazy! >> and alex, $1 billion in taxes are not being collected right now. i mean, $1 billion. if nothing else, shouldn't that be enough to get anyone in congress who claims to care about the deficit to try to come up with some sort of solution for this? >> oh, you would think, wouldn't you? you kind of want to put them all in an airplane that can't land until they fix this. but you know, we've just had a big spending debate for it seems like eternity here in washington on this debt ceiling. and one thing i think democrats and republicans can all agree is if we can stop waiting money we don't have, money we have to borrow, money we have to
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eventually get our kids to pay we ought to try to do that. how much should one of these airplane tickets cost from ely, nevada to the closest hub? well, it turns out we're subsidizing each of these tickets from 1,000 to $3700 each ticket. that seems to be a place we could save some bucks. you could hire a limo, fill it with champagne and drive each one of these passengers and save money. and we can't even agree on saving that kind of money? republicans put a bill that would do that on the table. democrats said no. and you know what harry reid did? he did the honorable thing. he said, look, i urge my colleagues to vote for this. it's sometimes you have to think about what's best for your country. and rockefeller and other senators said no. they are holding harry reid hostage on this. >> so paul, i mean, alex has clearly seen it in a completely different way. >> well, look. senator reid who alexis right. he's the senate majority leader. his small town in his state of
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ely, nevada is one of the towns that's been singled out for this. he sent a letter to speaker boehner today where he says "i will be willing to compromise on the essential air services issue during negotiations on the final bill in order to pass a clean extension". reid is doing everything he can do. but just like the debt ceiling, he doesn't have a partner to negotiate with. and this is what bothers me. again it's all about process. the founding fathers gave us a regular order for resolving these disputes. my goodness, this is not slavery. this is not civil rights. this is whether we should subsidize air travellers in ely, nevada. alex may be right. the republicans may be right. but it's not putting 74,000 people out of work. there's a process. you extend it for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, then you come back to a conference committee and work out these things as they do every day in congress. >> what about not taking your vacation until this gets done? i'm not taking a side whether the republicans are right in this or the democrats. i don't know. but i do know that for government to work, people have to make decisions. and whether it's a compromise or one side wins or the other, that's how things get done.
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and right now it's nothing's getting done. >> if you -- and i think some folks at home are looking at this and are so disgusted with what they're seeing in washington that next election we could see, i think, one of the biggest rejection of incumbents that we've seen in a long time. it could be vote them all out. last election we saw some survey numbers that said, if you could vote everybody from both parties out and start over, would you? and it was over 60%. i think it could be higher this time. but on this specific issue, anderson, you said you couldn't find anything going back 20 years where anybody had tied something like, this a spending reductions to a routine bill. yes. and that's the problem. we never cut spending on anything. we always push it back to tomorrow. and tomorrow never comes. so we're in a crisis situation where one of these days our kids are going to be empty of tears because we're going to sweat their whole lives to pay debts that we, our parents, are leaving them. it's got to stop.
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>> we're now pushing it back five weeks so they can take their vacation. it's the vacation thing that -- i get this is how washington works and these are what debates are about. i don't get why they get to adjourn. >> reporter: in the short term, this could be fixed pretty quickly. i mean, they would just need to come to an agreement. they don't even need to pull all the senators and members of congress back to washington necessarily. they have to come it an agreement, both the house and the senate have procedural ways to pull this off. >> kate, president obama said that might happen this week. is that likely? >> reporter: likely, i would not go that far. i would say that as speaker boehner issued a statement today and it did not seem like he was so inclined to be trying to make this agreement. and it's not unheard of for the house speaker to call them all back in. nancy pelosi did that last year when she was speaker -- last summer when she was speaker of the house. it just doesn't seem like anybody's ready to blink and make that move at this moment. so the idea of the vacation is frustrating for many people, but they can do this work while
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they're still on vacation and still going to their constituency events or whatever. they can get this done and they can get it done quickly. they just don't want to at the moment. >> kate, paul, alex, guys thank you very much. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter. there's a lot of anger about this @ anderson cooper. that's my twitter address up next, egypt's former dictator in court on a gurney in a cage. court trying to hold them accountable for the deaths during the uprising that drove him from power. he says he's not responsible. but how can he not be responsible in keeping them honest and taking you back to the terrifying moments when his thugs try this. ed to preserve his regime crime and punishment tonight, ploilgs leader warren jeffs opening statements after jurors heard a tape of him allegedly having sex with a 12-year-old girl. a lot of folks in the courtroom said it was the most disturbing thing they have ever heard. [ kimberly ] when i was 19, i found myself alone
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six cops. mubarek is charged with corruption and complicity in killings during the uprising that drove him from power. today when asked by the judge he said "i deny them completely". about the charges. keeping them honest, though, is that even remotely possible or plausible? mubarek ruled a police state for 30 years with a massive internal security machine that was able to put violent and of ten deadly mobs on the streets at will. he oversaw a secret police infamous for their use of brutality and torture. not responsible? remember, you saw it when pro mubarek thugs suddenly turned up en masse to attack reporters and demonstrators. it started the night of february 1. we were on the air when the first thugs started to arrive. >> behind us we have basically a rent a mob of pro mubarek supporters who have been mobilized at this late hour to chant "the press are traitors and agents". >> you think these guys are paid to do that? >> i don't think there's any
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doubt about it. i've seen demonstrations like this in egypt for years. there are people who have such a stake in this regime that they're coming out like this. they're being paid, perhaps, to come out like this to show support for the mubarek regime. this is typical, for instance, of egyptian elections. oftentimes they come out in favor of mubarek, and it turns out that they've been paid 20 pounds a piece to do it. >> they started throwing rocks that night. the next day before full-on warfare against protestors, government thugs attacked reporters in the streets. my crew and i were attacked by thugs in cairo's liberation square. >> a short time later, more attackers, this time on camelback, rampaged through the square beating bloody anyone in their path. remember at the time security forces, military, surrounded liberation square.
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no one got in unless they were aloud in by the government. hard to see how stick-wielding mounted thugs could do what they did without government say so in a place like egypt. an throughout it all, the mubarek propaganda machine was simultaneously blaming the violence on foreigners and outside agitators, al jazeera and israel and others while foe meanting new violence. that night we broadcast practically undercover on the floor. >> this is not exactly how we had planned to bring you tonight's program. but the situation changes here minute-by-minute in cairo, especially today. given what we have seen today, this is just yet another development. just in the last few minutes we've heard heavy fire in liberation square. we've got video that was taken just a short time ago. heavy-caliber fire heard in the square. we're going to talk to ivan watson who is there in just a moment. but i just want to tell you, we are broadcasting from a location that we thought was pretty safe up until about half an hour ago. then after that heavy fire we got a report that pro mubarek forces have left the area around
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liberation square and have now fanned out in some other neighborhoods. and the security situation where we are has changed somewhat in the last 30 minutes or so. we've been advised to actually turn off our lights, get down on the floor and try to barricade ourselves in the area that we're in. so that's why we're doing this program like this tonight. it's not going to look very good over the next hour but i hope you bear with us. because what has happened today in egypt on these streets has been nothing short of extraordinary. the entire situation has changed here in the last 12 hours. people have died who did not need to die. people will die tonight who do not need to die. and there were many people wounded today. we don't have actual numbers for you. but what we have seen has been nothing short of a pitched battle for the future of this country on the streets of this country outside the egyptian museum and inside and all around liberation square. >> we were literally barricaded with so fast and chairs inside
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an office at that point. that's just a small slice of what we could see seek shelter from. but many egyptians weren't so lucky. amnesty international estimates that 840 people were killed in the uprising. tens of millions of egyptians spent weeks in sheer terror and many more spent their entire lives in fear of an absolute dictatorship. mubarek says he's not responsible. the former dictator claiming he wasn't responsible for the brutality and not responsible and shouldn't be held accountable. we talked about it earlier with david kirkpatrick of the "new york times" and fareed zakaria from cnn. >> fareed, to hear mubarek saying he's innocent of everything, basically, and didn't order the attacks on protesters. i mean, when you're an absolute dictator of a country for many, many years, it suddenly seems ridiculous for somebody to claim oh, look i had no responsibility for what was happening. >> no. the complicating factor here, anderson, is he's almost certainly guilty of the charges that are being laid against him. but it still has the feeling of
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i don't want to say a show trial but a trial that is not fair. i wish that the egyptian government realized that this is really a very important moment for them. they need to get this right. >> david, that image of this once all-powerful dictator reduced to a sickly man inside a cage has got to be an incredibly powerful image for the people of egypt. >> yeah. it's absolutely breathtaking. you've got to remember, this is a country where there has never been a living ex-president, much less a president or ex-president brought before the law. it's something that i think most egyptians -- i know most egyptians truly could not believe. >> fareed, how do you think the trial is going to play in other places where dictators are no doubt watching this very closely? >> it's not just in places where the dictators are in trouble. this is a phenomenon across the arab world. everyone is watching it. and that's one of the reasons why i think it's so important that the egyptians do it in a way that makes it clear that this is an impartial process,
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that there is real due process. but there's no question, everyone around the arab world is watching now. it is having the effect of making moammar gadhafi feel why should i leave? i'm going to end up up in jail and get trieded. that's one of the down sides of these kinds of things when you punish dictators. >> david, there were questions about whether mubarek was really sick or how sick he was, maybe his doctors or defense team were exaggerating. do you think those questions were put to rest today, or do you think it still remains a question of whether he's kind of faking it? >> well, on the one hand, for sure his defense team was exaggerating. they said he had cancer, they said he had a stroke, he was in a coma. none of those things are true. at the same time, it's just not plausible that somebody like mubarek with his pride, his military, carried into the courtroom on a stretcher to plead for sympathy. there's no way that was staged. and in fact, if i go to a second
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to what fareed was saying, at every step towards this trial the military tribunal running the country now has seemed to be responding to political pressure from the street. so yeah, there's nothing about this that's particularly fair or well-thought-out. i don't think that really bothers the egyptian people right now. >> do you think in fact, david, that this gives legitimacy in the eyes of the egyptian people legitimacy to the military government? >> i think very much so. i think a lot of egyptians last week were thinking, these guys will never put their former boss on trial. and yet, here it is. and it may be that they were forced to by street demonstrations and by a fear of continued unrest. but i think to most egyptians, the popular will has that kind of power is closer than they've ever been to a rule of law. >> you know, anderson, revolutions are very big phenomenon. they sometimes can take on a life of their own. and i think what's happening here in egypt is that it is taking on a life of its own. public appetites have to be fed.
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and there is a public rage, understandable public rage because of 30 to 40 and 50 years of dictatorship. and mubarek has come to symbolize it. this was something they could do to feed the masses. >> we've also seen huge protests in which military has cracked down on protestors, tortured protestors, done virginity checks on women. there's been a lot of outrage about that. and just recently this weekend we saw a huge pro islamist demonstration in tahrir square, tens of thousands of islamists calling for a strict adherence to islamic law. where is the egyptian revolution at this point? i mean, is it a cliche' to say it's at a turning point? >> i think it's in suspension. when i was in egypt a month or two ago, the situation was very similar. and a young protestor who had spent all her days and nights in tahrir square said to me, you know, i went through this whole process to get rid of egypt's military dictatorship.
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and when i look around, everyone in the world thinks that our revolution has succeeded. but i'm living in a military dictatorship. >> david, before i let you go i just want to turn to libya where your now. you just had an interview with safe da gau dewho's now claiming that the regime is forming a secret alliance with radical islamists. is that for real or is that sort of a scare tactic, attempt to get attention or roughly western feathers? >> at one point in the interview he said, it's kind of a funny story. i said, well, does that mean you're joking? he said no, no, no, i'm very serious. we're going to announce this in days in a joint communique. he even identified the libyan islamist who he said was his sort of counterpart in these talks to form a kind of alliance. but when i called up, when our folks called up that islamist who's based in doha he said no, no, no, nothing of the kind. i've had conversations, but all those conversations have been you need to leave power right away. i suspect that he almost was
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enjoying taunting the west with the prospect that by helping libyan rebels you may be helping islamists to take power. >> it's totally implausible, anderson. gadhafi has for 40 years massacred islamists. in fact, the principal military threats to his regime over the last three decades have all come from the islamists who he had brutally suppressed. the idea that these guys would tie up with him is very implausible. >> fareed za car remarks david kirkpatrick, thank you very much. david, stay safe. >> thanks a lot. fascinating stuff. up next, disturbing video showing how phillip and nancy ga retoe preyed on children. they're the couple who kidnapped jaycee dugard, held her captive for 18 years in their backyard. you're going to see now and hear how they lured little girls into a van to videotape them. it's the kind of thing we've all heard about. to actually know that these folks did that, it is sickening, serves as a warning to us all. later, the warren jeffs sexual assault trial growing stranger by the day. last night we reported on the
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bizarre courtroom drama. we'll talk to gary tuchman about what happened today in the courtroom that shocked a lot of hardened courtroom watchers. you name it.
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up close tonight, disturbing video released by the district attorney's office in el dorado county, california. the office prosecuting convicted phillip and nancy garrido for the kidnapping and rape of jaycee dugard who was held captive as you know for 18 years. it released the videos to show the public how criminals like the garridos operate. in the first excerpt, nancy garrido has lure add little girl into a van. the little girl is not jaycee dugard. this happened, though, after jaycee dugard hat already been taken. lured a girl into a van to videotape her. and she coaxes the child to do
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splits. now, the videos were shot for her husband's gratification, if you can believe it. the d.a.'s office blurred the images, cnn decided not to air the child's voice so you'll hear gaps in the audio. we want to warn you again, the audio with the young children is disturbing but important we think for parents because we all have heard about this kind of stuff. but to actually see it, it really brings it home and makes it real. listen. >> can you go all the way down? let me see. i bet you can go down really easy, huh? let me see you do it. oh, you didn't show me your split, did you? let me see it now. >> after a rest, garrido was questioned by law enforcement officers on videotape. they talked about videotaping girls in the van and how often it went on. you'll hear a couple of beeps there on the tape. >> you had a camera set up in the van? >> yeah. >> for the direct purpose of getting leg shots and [ expletive ] shots for him?
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>> mm-hmm. >> so this was kind of set up? i mean, this is what you're going to do, honey, here's how we're going to do it, right? you indicated that numerous times kid were brought into the van. >> mm-hmm. >> and i thought you might have indicated that it happened both at your house and maybe at other locations? is that true? >> mm-hmm. >> this was obviously something phil wanted you to do for him. and what were you -- what was your task in all of this? i mean, what were you supposed to get from these girls, as much leg and [ expletive ] shots as you could? >> right. >> get them to do gymnastics? >> stuff like that, general stuff like that. >> so you were supposed to sit down next to them, play nice, sound interested, and somehow coax them into moving around and so they could be videotaped. >> right. >> how many incidents are we talking about, you getting the kids in the van and actually doing a face-to-face taping as
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opposed to out in the parking lot? are we talking less than 20? more than 20? >> it's got to be less than 20. >> somewhere between 10 and 20? >> maybe. >> somewhere maybe somewhere in that? >> maybe. >> thing? >> or maybe less. maybe just ten. >> short time ago i spoke with dr. drew pinsky, host of dr. drew on hln. >> you know, dr. drew, the state awhile ago had released a few tapes. and we talked about them thon program. and i got some tweets from people saying why are you showing this? it's disturbing. and these new tapes are incredibly disturbing. but i find them important to watch to see, because we all know there's dangers out there. and yet people still, i mean, kids are still getting into vans with creepy people in them. >> yeah. i mean, there's a couple points to be made, anderson. one is that although it's a cliche' that someone would come up and offer candy and lure a child into the van, the fact is that kind of thing does exist.
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the other issue is, should we be watching these films? i mean, they're not explicit. they're just disturbing. and i think because the normal person's mind just doesn't work that way, it is important to take a good, hard look at these things so you understand in an unvarnished way what it is you're looking for to keep your kids safe. >> and nancy garrido, luring a child into a van, having her do splits, videotaping her for her husband's gratification later, i mean, what is going through her mind? because i mean, he's clearly sick. i mean, he's clearly a monster. but what's going on in her mind? >> yeah. i had a feeling you were going to kind of go there. because this is the part that's so difficult to understand. how someone could become so dependent, so controlled by another person that she could collude in something that is absolutely depraved. but the fact is, this guy was -- let's call it what it is -- sort of a genius at mind control and picking somebody who -- again
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i'm not talking about the captive, i'm talking about this woman we're seeing in the video here -- picking someone who has such profound dependency needs that need from him attention so far that she is willing to go to any length, probably without giving it much thought at all. >> and even there's the video where she's videotaping him at the playground. again, it's just one of those things. people should look out for this kind of stuchlt people videotaping at a playground. i mean, it seems so basic. >> it does seem so basic. and yet we have to remind ourselves that these things exist. and you know, here's the message to parents out there. it's unfortunate that we live in a time when we have to be so hypervigilant, but that's the time we live in number one. and number two, trust your instincts. >> well, it's not just a failure of people's imagination toss kind of think of what horrible people can do, but also of the state. i mean of the government who they sent parole officers there who didn't really do thorough searches who could have found jaycee dugard had they really
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searched the property. >> yes. and that is a bigger issue that we've got to deal with. and it really boils down to the issue of patterns of depravity. patterns of criminal behavior. you know, back in the 18th century we had a model system of penitentiaries where people paid penance and they were improved when they got out of these penitentiary systems. we have no such thing right now. we have people that have profound, lifelong traum mass. excuse me, profound, lifelong patterns of severe criminal behavior. and each one tends to get look looked at almost on its own merit as an isolated incident rather than looking at the overall pattern and realizing some people are not going to change, and when they get out of the locked system, the contained system, they have to be treated with the same scrutiny as if they were in a locked system. >> yeah. and fascinating the video that we've just been showing of nancy garrido videotaping when the parole officer came to the house and was searching, she was basically kind of trying to i guess put pressure on this guy to get out quicker.
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again not effective searches. dr. drew, thanks. >> appreciate it. we're following other stories tonight. tom foreman has the 360 bulletin. >> reporter: anderson, the united nations has denounced syria's brutal crackdown of protestors. the security council released a statement today condemning the use of force against civilians and called for an immediate end to violence by all parties. dozens of people have been killed in the last few days including at least four today. haiti and the dominican republic are bracing for tropical storm emily, which is expected to hit the two countries with strong winds and heavy rains. national hurricane center says emily is packing winds of 50 miles per hour. as relief agencies desperately try to feed starving somalians, the u.n. announced today that famine has spread to three more regions of that african country including the capital city of mogadishu. civil war in somalia is making it hard to get food to those who need it and in new york, maybe that wandering peacock just needed a day to be alone. it escaped from the central park
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zoo yesterday, and there it is perched on a window sill. but zoo officials now say the peacock flew back home this morning. >> wow. that's cool. >> a little homing pigeon there. >> maybe he just needed a little time away. just a little vaca. tom we'll check in with you shortly. tonight's shot, the old saying music calms the savage beast. mariachi band serenaded a beluga whail at the mistick aquarium. watch. ♪ . >> i like how beluga whale seems to be like nodding its head almost to the music. it certainly looks curious at the very least. the band was at the aquarium to perform at a wedding apparently. so who knew? tom, did you know that belugas like mariachi? >> i didn't know. this this reminds me so much of my prom. >> of your prom? >> very similar. very similar. >> who were you? which character were you? >> i don't want to talk about
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it. up next on 360, another wild day in the courtroom during the sexual assault trial of warren jeffs. an audio tape was played that left at least one juror in tears. when jeffs presented his defense case things got even more bizarre also ahead, a judge in florida giving casey anthony a break. we'll explain what happened to her ahead. [ martin luther king jr. ] i still have a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. i have a dream today! [ male announcer ] chevrolet is honored to celebrate the unveiling of the washington, d.c., martin luther king jr. memorial. take your seat at the table on august 28th.
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in our crime and punishment segment today, the trial of polygamist sect leader warren jeffs is getting close to the end but not before getting even more dramatic and stranger. court resumes tomorrow morning when jeffs will continue presenting his own defense in his sexual assault trial. after playing a dramatic audio tape that seemed to shock and sadden jury members, prosecution rested its case early today. now, on that tape jeffs is heard allegedly having sex with a 12-year-old girl. joining me live from san angelo is gary tuchman, also award-winning investigative reporter mike watkiss. gary, the prosecution closed its case playing this audio. i heard a lot of people in the court saying it was among the more disturbing things they've ever heard. what did you hear and how did the jury react? >> reporter: it was very disturbing, not just for the jury but for the 150 of news the courtroom is packed listening to a 50-year-old man apparently have sex with a 12-year-old girl, and she was just 11 years old the month before. what makes it worse, anderson, is that warren jeffs does not deny the accusations in court. but this audio tape what it
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showed was that warren jeffs regularly taped these sexual experiences he had. he called the them training sessions for heavenly wives. what happened in this audio tape, we heard warren jeffs say it feels good. how do you feel? and this little girl voice said very good. it was so sad. because we've seen pictures of her in court. she's small for her age. she has red hair. she was described by a witness as having red hair and freckle and she looks like pippy longstocking. then at one point at the very end warren jeffs said, what do you feel? she said i feel fine. thank you. and the tape lated 20 minutes, anderson. there was heavy breathing. it was very uncomfortable and sad being there but the prosecution feels they needed to play it for this jury. >> and after all this, mike, then the prosecution rests and then it's warren jeffs's turn to present his case. you say that's when it became like the theater of the absurd. >> i think that's a pretty accurate description. mr. jeffs is not a lawyer, and he proved that today. first of all, he begged and pleaded and stamrd in front of the judge asking for more time to prepare.
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she says, you've had years to prepare for this. you're on at 3:00 this afternoon. he then got up and basically did a 30-minute stump speech, sort of a stump sermon, the kind of thing that he delivers before his flock talking about religious history and the persecution of his people over the last 150 years. your eyes glazed over. at this point mr. jeffs has interjected and sermonized so much in this trial, you wonder what the impact is on the jury. juxtapose that with this tape where you have this meek little girl talking and mr. jeffs apparently having sex. it was very impactful, i think, for all of us in the courtroom today. >> and gary, he called as his first witness a member of the flds. but they didn't really -- i mean, he still hasn't addressed the allegations against him, right? >> well, that's right, anderson. we didn't know he would call a witness. all of a sudden he followed one
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of his followers. it felt like an flds sunday school session. the book of mormon was brought in as their first piece of evidence. they basically read the book of mormon to each other. warren jeffs's defense has not been that he didn't have the sex, his defense is this is a violation of his freedom of religion. he got this witness, the member of his church to say, that yes, throughout history more mons' religion has been violated. but then when the prosecution cross examined this man, they said to him, do you believe warren jeffs is a prophet? he said yes. do you belief warren jeffs talks to god? he said yes. then they said, but do you have sex with 15-year-old girls? and the man had a lawyer with him he talked to his lawyer before he said anything. he said no. do you have sex with 12-year-old girls? and he said no. do you have sex with a lot of girls at once which warren jeffs apparently does in these tapes. the man said no. the point the prosecution is trying to make is that this is warren jeffs doing this. this is not necessarily other members of the flds even though they do regard him as the prophet. >> and mike, warren jeffs on the tape doesn't use the word sex at all. he has all these sort of code words. what is he talking about?
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are these all flds codes? >> well, having grown up in the area around utah, yeah, this ornate religious language that mr. jeffs seems to be unable to speak in anything but this stuff. and he talks about heavenly sessions. he refers to the young woman as a heavenly comfort wife. it's all this sort of coded language that has been used for generations in that community. never just outright talks about sex. because they're above that. this is a god-ordained practice, at least in the words of mr. jeffs. it's very bizarre to hear him discuss that. and the tape, to hear this meek little voice, you only hear ate couple of times, it just plunge add dog noor your heart. and i think amid the heavy breathing, the jurors just walked away stunned. >> fascinating. gary, mike, appreciate the time. thank you very much more crime and punishment ahead. new information about when casey anthony will have to return to
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season thes. it was season four before i realized it wasn't a long lip gloss commercial. i know they were the demon spawn of that proechlgt together they staged a whole bunch of fake photo ops, went on reality shows and basically got paid to go to clubs. whatever the point is, they got really famous in that bloggy, twittery, tmzesque ways people can get famous today without any actual talent or intrinsic worth. now sadly for them everything has changed. heidi and spencer say they were wrong about everything. they regret it all they say. now they're broke and wish they never tried to get famous. spencer tells "the daily beast" "everything we were doing in let retrospect was a mistake. the second we continued on our quest for fame was a mistake". bite your tongue, spencer. you and heidi are both excellent role models. we've learned so much from you. like when you were on "celebrity get me out of here" you taught us perspective. >> everyone is being so mean. they completely took off my
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labelses and everything on my dry sham poochlt. >> who else would so passionately defend the sank tisity of one's dry shampoo labels? no one but heidi and spencer. >> you shouldn't rip the labels off of people's possessions. >> come on, spencer. come on. >> don't be a hypocrite. >> you don't know who you're talking to. [ screaming ] >> come on. >> my husband is a very new christian, so he is working very hard on his temper and stuff. >> our civilization is ending. as spencer worked very hard on his temper and stuff, heidi worked very hard on her temple and stuff. got some plastic surgery. but guess what? now she this that was a mistake. "obviously i wish i didn't do it. i would go back and not have any surgery. i don't regret anything, but if i could go back i wouldn't do it". she's being way too hard on herself, i think. all she did was try to improve her appearance just a little.
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>> i had a slight aye brow lift. they just slightly lifted it. i had like real staples in my head. and i had my ears pinned back because i couldn'tware my hair up ever for red carpets because me ears always stuck out. >> hate that. a little head stapling, a little ear pinning. it's not like she had her whole jaw sawed down. >> i had my jaw sawed down and reshaped. i had my nose corrected. i had fat injections put into my cheeks and into my lips that was taken from my legs. and i had a little bit of botox put in my forehead. >> how does one have one's jaw sad down? anyway, that was it, right? i mean -- oh. that wasn't it. >> i had my back shaped out a little bit. >> that's not bone movement, is it? how do you shape out the -- >> a little bit of bone. yeah. a little bit of the bone and a little bit of the muscle and tissue just for a curve ier
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look. then i had a little bit of fat injections put in both sides of each butt cheek. >> just a little bit of bone. just a little bit of bone. at least when it came to her breast implants she used sound logic. >> they're triple ds of fs pretty much. so i wanted h for heidi, but that didn't really turn out that way. >> get it? h for heidi? she's adorable! so what's life like now for heidi and spencer? oh, hang on. >> then i had a little bit of inner and outer lipo. >> are we done? that's it? all right. so what's life like now for heidi and spencer, now that they're full of regret about their fame-seeking ways? quote spencer "it's like what 70-year-olds do. we're reading a lot of books. now all we eat are tacos and burritos". i know that's how i have always envisioned retirement, sitting around being 70, book in one hand, taco in the other, burrito in the other. but spencer, you and heidi are
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